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| Posted by: James |
11/5/2007 1:36 PM |
Let’s say you’re eating lunch at an informal place such as a Chicago-style hot dog joint where transplanted northerners who miss the steamed poppyseed bun with Vienna beef franks topped with mustard, onions, glowing green relish, tomatoes, pickles, peppers, and celery salt. An older gentleman comes over to your desk and, prior to asking permission, picks up the salt shaker and then proceeds to ask if he can use it. Would you consider that rude, pre-emptive, presumptuous, or normal?
The person I was eating with was also taken aback and looked at the man and said “Say ‘Please’”. This in turn threw the old man (who looked scarily like a modern day Kenny Stabler complete with southern accent) for a loop and he stammered and fumbled until he muttered “Please”. This wasn’t a case of disrespecting your elders, as he was a lucid gentleman who simply should have waited until we said “Sure, go ahead” before physically taking the condiments.
I’m sure my coworker wouldn’t have felt the need to make him say “Please” had he followed proper Asking Strangers For Stuff On Their Table etiquette. I’ve been approached many a time asking for the ketchup on my table or some other item that another customer doesn’t have on their table. It’s not really a big deal. But I’ve never before have someone pick up the item in question before actually asking. Flashing a Snake Oil Salesman smile doesn't allow you to presume what you're about to ask me is OK to do. |
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By Muuurph on
11/5/2007 3:42 PM |
| I think the proper response would hae been "Yes but remember to wash your hands afterward as I just recovered from that wierd flesh eating virus". Said of cuorse with the sweetest smile you can muster on your face. |
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By The General on
11/5/2007 11:06 PM |
| It sounds like he tried to make up for his faux pas with the belated request. I think the operative words were "informal" and "transplanted Northerners". Given that scenario, it's Thunderdome, baby. You want the salt - you take the salt. Survival of the fittest. It's not like you bought the shaker. Otherwise, in normal situations, respect your elders, even when they are presumptious. Failing to do in just about any circumstance is more rude than any pre-emptive grab. |
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By TSAC on
11/5/2007 11:56 PM |
| It sounds like he tried to make up for his faux pas with the belated request. The General is right, that is why he is The General. That said, cut the old geezer some slack. Timing can be so delicate, had he asked first, you had no fucking post for today. Cut the man some slack. Oops, I forgot you are a "Northerner". Whadda we expect? |
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By JA3 on
11/6/2007 8:52 AM |
| I for one love any opportunity to gently remind the rude, thoughtless masses of humanity who believe the world was placed here for their convenience that we civilized folks have certain standards for behavior. If they don't like it, or can't follow those standards, they should go back to slinging poo in the monkey house.<br><br>Kudos to your cow-orker. |
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By James on
11/6/2007 10:36 AM |
| General, of course in just about ANY scenario I will respect my elders. This was one of those rare occasions where you encounter a senior who must have been rude all his life. |
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By Syl on
11/6/2007 11:41 AM |
| Did you remind him that it might be covered in invisible/dried children's nostril mucous as the salt shakers in IKEA are? <br><br><br>At least he asked. And at least he stammered in shame and remembrance of his mother's teachings. You can't ask for much more than that. |
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By Donna on
11/7/2007 2:42 PM |
| My son has been studying Chinese off and on for several years. In his quest to educate me in this language, we stumbled on a word he didn't know how to say and questioned its existance. The word = Please. How do you say "Please" in Chinese? He said, "Hmmm, I'll ask." He asked our nieghbor, they attended Chinese school together, and the answer was....."Well, Chinese is not really a nice language. There is no word for PLEASE." I thought this was interesting. Maybe a bit off topic for today's post, but thought I would throw this your way. |
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By Syl is thinking on
11/8/2007 12:18 PM |
| Hey Donna - sure, and let's consider this. The nick/call name for a second son is 'Second Son'. If a sister is the second born she is referred to not as his sister, but as 'Little sister' until another sister is born. Then the second sister will be called 'Second little sister', or number two sister. No one need ask if they have older/younger siblings because it is inherent in the reference to themselves and other siblings...their place in life and the family.<br><br><br><br>The humility that comes with knowing your place and honoring your parents and the responsibility that comes with being the 'First born son' sort of precludes the need for additional humility. You just don't need to ask for things - you earn them and they are ranted along with the respect that is inferred in the term 'please'. You don't say please it's said along with the way things are asked, and the words chosen. Who ever said 'please' to -say - the King of England (?) before they said something like, 'Your most glorious and exalted supreme being Godly chosen and the most illustrious leader ever in the history of existence...' and so on. see how 'please' isn't needed? But there is 'thank you' to express your humble gratitude.<br><br><br><br><br>If you would be so kind as to grant me my wish....Please sort of infers un-earned respect. At least that's my impression. Please is not the way to survive in a huge population. No 'Please, may I get on the bus too dear stranger?' You simply make your way onto the bus and get on with things as needed.<br><br> |
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By Amy in Na Hampsha on
11/11/2007 8:38 AM |
| That sort of condiment-grabbing man why I always loosen the cap on the salt shaker just after I use it. |
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