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Bottled logic
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| Posted by: James |
1/16/2008 4:44 PM |
Those of you who know me know that I am big on recycling. I even take my newspaper that I read at lunch back home to put it in my recycle bin. Until we got our new water cooler hooked up at our new office, I took home my used water bottles to place in the recycling bin too. We can debate until we’re blue in the face whether or not items marked for recycling are actually recycled, so let’s just assume they are. Some communities and companies are obviously better at it than others and no system is perfect.
It turns out that most water bottles are made with petroleum and we know the vicious circle involved with that right now. In addition, we now know that a lot of “pure” water being sold is simply municipal tap water. Add the ludicrous idea of the amount of energy it takes to transport water from a place like, say, Fiji, and it all seems rather silly to give companies lots of money for such a low cost item.
But yet I’m not willing to condemn bottled water. Yes, there are definitely areas of the country that have fantastic tap water. Growing up in Detroit and Chicago, I had no problem with the water at all. At that time, bottled water was an extreme luxury for those dumb enough to pay for it. In Peoria, the water was so hard you could smell the minerals as you showered. It would leave rings of white crust on any water fountain. To me, it was borderline undrinkable so I rented a 5-gallon water cooler for my room so I could hydrate myself, as I am a huge water drinker (yes, even more so than beer!).
Then Evian came along and changed the perception that water is just water. Putting aside the snide remarks that it spelled “naïve” backwards, it made water a status item. Sure it was all marketing hype but America didn’t care.
So we have bottled water being demonized because of the 1-2 punch of it being tap water and filling up landfills. But I still see a plus that seems to be glossed over. In this day and age of soda over-consumption (I include diet soda in this category too) along with other high fructose corn syrup bombs, it seems that if someone is going to be using a recyclable container, why not have them drink a beverage that is zero calories and has no sweeteners? Wouldn’t you rather have someone drink a bottle of Dasani water than a Coca Cola regardless of whether they recycle the bottle or not? People are going to drink individual containers. It’s a way of life and since bottled water isn’t going away, I think it’s better for someone to drink Houston’s municipal tap water than a soda with 54 grams of sugar in it.
In the meantime, enjoy this clip from Penn & Teller’s show poking fun of bottled water drinkers. |
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Re: Bottled logic |
By Ian on
1/17/2008 12:54 AM |
| Ditto! I rented the same water cooler machine. Big difference from my home in New York, where New York City (surprisingly) has some of the best tasting tap water in the country- makes a big difference with baked goods as well, like pizza and bagels. And yes, our pizza is better than Chicago's, though some on this blog would beg to differ- I didn't drink Evian until I lived in Paris, but for only 30 cents per liter, it was a deal- |
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By James on
1/17/2008 9:44 AM |
| Ian, there is a NY pizza/bagel joint down here that actually transports NYC water down here to make their dough! As for the pizza war debate, did you really want to open up that Pandora's box on this blog? ;) It's two entirely different styles of pizza and there's room on this planet for both. But in a battle of pizza slices, a fat deep dish Chicago style slice could just sit on one of those thin NY style slices and win a wrestling match hands down. It would be like pitting a sumo wrestler against a horse jockey. But I digress. |
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By James on
1/17/2008 9:45 AM |
| BTW, Ian, declaring NY style pizza is better than Chicago style pizza on this blog is akin to wearing a Mets jersey to Yankee Stadium and screaming "Yankees suck!" in front of 55,000 people who beg to differ. Sure, you can do it, but prepare for the consequences!!! Perhaps you just gave me material for my Friday blog. :) |
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By Ian on
1/17/2008 9:56 AM |
| I guess we'll be waiting for your Friday blog:) |
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By Ian on
1/17/2008 9:59 AM |
| No one wears a Mets jersey unless they are having a winning season, like in 1986- See how I remember that year- shows that it can't be that often- It's Yankees all the way, James- When people think of American baseball, they don't think of the Tigers. Not the Cubs nor the White Sox. Sorry my Bradley friends, I love Middle America, but it's true blue Yankees all the way! |
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By Muuurph on
1/17/2008 10:31 AM |
| I spent enough time in NY to have the pizza a few times. I'm not even going to bother comparing tomato sauce on cardboard to food. As far as the Yank-mes go, I see Ian's stuck in the New York frame of mind. 1) That everything's a competition and NY has to be the best! 2) That because NY has the most publishers in the country (world) and thus the local teams/venues/museums are the most well known, they must be the best! 3) That the first 2 points make up for living in an overcrowded cess pool where you live in fear of every stranger on the street. New York=Dirtier, more crowded, less friendly version of Chicago. |
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By Ian on
1/17/2008 10:41 AM |
| I admit that there are New Yorkers who have that mentality, but I am not one of them. Those who know me personally know that I'm one of the most pro Middle American people on the planet, and I've been to 11 of the 12 midwestern states. But when it comes to baseball, I've never compromised my loyalty. People who are Yankees fans are devoted, and people who aren't Yankees fans want to become one. Look at Senator Clinton; she donned a Yankees hat, and she was born and raised in Illinois. Look, it's a fact- certain attributes are akin to certain places. Cherries and blueberries, think of Michigan, Coca Cola, it's Atlanta, deep dish pan pizza, I think of Chicago, sunflower, I think of Kansas, and baseball, yes, people think NY! |
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By Muuurph on
1/17/2008 10:58 AM |
| Getting off the tangent and on to bottled water.... Let me confess something really stupid about my wife and I. Because we have a private well, the previous owners of our house installed a reverse osmosis unit. RO, I believe, is the most purifying process there is. In fact many bottled water companies have it listed right on their bottles as the process they use. Yet we still buy bottled water, figure that out. Basically we buy it for the convenience and nothing more. I have filled a bottle with our RO water and the Mrs. never knew the difference. |
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By Ian on
1/17/2008 11:09 AM |
| I admit that I still buy bottled water, but I cook with tap water. I never bought bottled water until I lived in Peoria. If I had well water, like they do on Long Island, I wouldn't buy bottle water. |
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By Syl on
1/17/2008 11:40 AM |
| Who would debate whether recyclables sent or put out to be collected and be recycled are actually recycled? Morons?? |
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Re: water logic |
By Syl on
1/17/2008 11:43 AM |
| Our excellent tap water supply (the Hetch Hetchy water system form the Sierras neat Yosemite) makes our sourdough the best. Only older buildings have sucky water sometimes due to their old pipes. |
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By Syl on
1/17/2008 11:47 AM |
| I looked in vain for any Mets gear when I visited NYC a few years ago. ANY Mets gear at all for the National League reps - but not a single T-shirt, hat, shot glass... The proprietors said they only had what would sell. I thought to myself (and whose very payroll sold out baseball). |
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By Ian on
1/17/2008 11:51 AM |
| I agree with Syl about that as well- we have that problem with the old pipes here in DC- lead in the water, and contaminated water from the Potomac river |
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And finally...(is this better than all the usual <br>)? |
By Syl on
1/17/2008 11:58 AM |
| It's not the tap water or bottles alone. It's also that petroleum products that are used to make the bottles and the consumption of more petroleum products to get it from their tap and filter to your town, 2000 (or really any number of) miles away. <br><br>In the outlying areas of my hometown some had potable wells and others just had non-potable mineral-heavy running water - they bought water and still do. |
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Re: New York City |
By Ian on
1/17/2008 12:47 PM |
| Not to digress, but I do want to make note of the earlier comment of NYC being a "dirtier, more crowded, less friendly version of Chicago." When I was growing up, NYC was a disaster; filthy, filled with crime- a national embarrassment! But Giuliani did the unthinkable; he made NYC livable- I think it's quite clean, considering the size of 7,000,000 people, and it's a fact that the crime rate is way down- less fear of strangers, and safer streets than Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, the Twin Cities, Milwaukee, St. Louis, etc. Doesn't make sense to me why they can't institute the same policies in those midwestern cities. Though I do admit that the streets are overcrowded at times, and that traffic is much more of a nightmare than in those other cities. |
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By Jason's Mom on
1/17/2008 2:06 PM |
| Real Chicago pizza is flat...and square. The deep dish stuff came later. I'm old so I win. |
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