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Posted by: James 4/11/2008 10:31 AM

I’ve gone on record before saying how I think not only are nurses underpaid for what they do, but doctors actually are too.  Anyone that can “work” on and diagnose the most complex machine in the universe deserves every penny they earn.  This is the opposite of pro athletes, who make exponentially more than someone who can Fix A Heart Or Brain, who are so out of touch with reality it makes me watch sports less and less each year.  If you’re not a pro golf or tennis player, you don’t really deserve what you make.  You can argue how pro athletes have a limited window for their peak earning potential and I will counter with the fact that they’re still PLAYING A GAME.

 

Anyway, on to the point of this post was how there are other professions that I think are grossly underpaid as a whole.   I was talking to the officer (who has now been promoted to sergeant and is only 2 years from retirement) who works the Gladiators hockey games on the side and he is obviously near the top of his pay scale (based on rank and years served).  He was saying how his retirement pension is x% of his salary range and gave the amount he’ll be earning his last year on duty.  I felt embarrassed because my salary is considerably more now and I’m only 35, not to mention my life is never on the line when I go to work (except of course when I’m navigation our wonderful highway system here in Atlanta).  This isn’t bragging on my part about my salary at all; rather it’s a reflection that I think a police sergeant in charge of hundreds of other officers, having survived decades of foot and car patrol shifts dealing with the lowest of lowlifes, makes well below what I make for testing stupid web sites.  Some things simply aren't fair.

 

Here's some other examples:

 

Airline pilots – Yes, I know that commercial pilots make six figure salaries but let’s consider what their task at hand is.  They need to fly an aluminum tube into the sky at 30,000+ feet altitude and then have to land that same contraption without burrowing it into the ground.  Add Mother Nature to the mix with her bouquets of rain, snow, sleet, wind, and overweight tourists and the fact that this is a safer mode of transportation than most options speaks volumes to the integrity of their profession.  Unlike a bus driver, who may be able to divert a bus to the side of a road, pilots have no such option.

 

Aeronautical engineers – Sure it takes a skilled person to man a plane but who was the one who designed those contraptions in the first place?  The engineers who design not only the planes to actually fly but also the electronics in the cabin have made a system that makes the pilots’ job “easier” need to be commended. 

 

Air traffic controllers – I’m not sure why I’m fixating on flying today but the fact remains that it takes a lot of people concentrating nonstop to keep all those airborne tubes of pressurized steel from running into each other.  Pay these guys what they want.

 

Good teachers – No explanation needed here, right?  Extra bonus points should go to every teacher for having to deal with this insipid No Child Left Behind Act too.  Our kids are going to be the masters of one test and nothing else.

 

Social workers – My question here is, if a position like this were high paying, would less-qualified people who don’t care about helping people become more pervasive?  To be able to deal with the gutwrenching stories that day in and day out takes a special kind of person.

 

Stay-at-home parents – I saved this one for last.  This is hands-down the most underappreciated profession out there.  For any of you out there with children, you know this already.  When a parent says they are a stay-at-home mom/dad, uninformed people don’t think this is a 24-hour job, or somehow it doesn’t count as a real job.  It’s not all bonbons and soap opera time – in fact, there’s none of that for the stay at home parents I know.  Kids require constant attention and while it’s extremely tiring at times, most parents wouldn’t trade it for anything in the world. 

 

It’s the least paying job but the most rewarding and for those families that are able to afford to have one spouse stay home, I tip my cap to them because nothing can replace a parent’s guidance at that early age.   Obviously in today’s age of inflation and rising housing costs, it’s almost impossible for most families to have this luxury without some serious sacrifice.  Currently our youngest is being watched by my mom and while that’s not the ultimate ideal, at least we’ve kept it in the family for now.  Two husbands that I know who read this blog are stay-at-home dads and I salute them for being there for the crucial development time of their child.  Your devotion will pay off exponentially down the line.

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Re: Underpaid professions    By JA3 on 4/11/2008 11:30 AM
You have to keep in mind, when looking at any job with a pension, that the worker is voluntarily giving up a certain amount of pay now, for a theoretical benefit of an X% pension down the line. My dad made less his last year as a teacher than I did my 2nd year working on networks, but I had to roll my own retirement savings out of that money while he is now sitting at home surfing the Internet and making almost as much as he did that last year of work. That caveat alone covers several of the jobs you've listed, although I think anyone, even in the public sector, who depends solely on their defined pension being available in 20 years is taking a huge risk. I make sure we save enough that we will be able to eat and sleep without Ruth's pension, even though her pension is probably safer than anyone's (politicians know better than to piss off the folks with the guns).

Re: Underpaid professions    By JA3 on 4/11/2008 11:42 AM
And thanks for the kind words about us SAHDs. I'm going to be a big jerk in response and say that we haven't sacrificed at all, thus far, and that far more people could do this if they had any awareness whatsoever of how they spend money and what is and is not a luxury. Going by tax returns, our gross dropped $50K last year for various reasons, but I haven't had to cancel any "luxuries," or decrease our after-tax savings one bit (I will admit that the level of "needs" that makes John happy is far lower than the average American's). As long as both parents realize that part of the Stay-At-Home's job is to play financial "defense," then the extra time available to that person can allow them to make less money go just as far. It's the classic TIME=MONEY formula; beyond the obvious expense of daycare, most people have no clue how much extra they spend in conveniences that they don't necessarily like or need, simply because having two jobs eats up so much of their time. If both parents are top earners, of course, this may not apply ... and note that I have nothing against people who both choose to work. If someone knows they aren't tempermentally suited to being a SAHP, they shouldn't even try. I've seen it, and it's no good for parents or kids.

Re: Underpaid professions    By James on 4/11/2008 2:42 PM
I work to support my HDTV habit. I love my daughters and all that mush, but have you seen a show or movie in high def on a 57-inch TV?! :)

Re: Underpaid professions    By JD on 4/11/2008 7:11 PM
Agreed....

Re: Underpaid professions    By Amy on 4/12/2008 9:11 PM
Airline pilots: six figures, but barely, and only after a long time with the same airline. Switch airlines (or lose job due to bankruptcy or shut down) and start over at the bottom at another airline at around $30,000. (It's like chutes and ladders.) Seniority with six figures only comes after years with the same airline, if you're lucky enough to have picked the right one. (Get hired at the majors only with lots of experience/ flight hours, which costs a lot of money to accumulate, or you serve/ survive in the military for 7 or more years.) Meanwhile, executive compensation at airlines and elsewhere has sundered itself from reality and is floating up into the stratosphere. Will the CEO at American accept his $7 million bonus this year even with the MD80 crap and the bad on-time record and the pilots and flight attendants who voluntarily took a HUGE pay cut a few years ago to keep AA flying so it would be the only major carrier not to go through bankruptcy? Stay tuned. (The roughly 1/3 pay cut my husband enjoyed in 2003 was almost exactly the same amount as our mortgage. But at least he still has a job, unlike the bottom guys who were indefinitely furloughed.) And as for earning their pay... I could tell you stories.

Re: Underpaid professions    By James on 4/13/2008 1:13 PM
Amy, I didn't realize if pilots switched jobs that they go to the bottom of the pay scale again. WOW. That's brutal. In the I.T. industry, the only legit raises I have gotten are when I switch jobs. Is there a reason the pilots union doesn't make this a priority during contract negotiations or is it a different union for each airline?

Re: Underpaid professions    By KB's on 4/14/2008 12:17 AM
As the other manary, I (and my wife) wouldn't change a thing. Our first year of daycare we had extra in medical visits, extra daycare cost, unpaid time from work (and still paying daycare), and the craziness of a sick child. We just had #2 and I am looking forward to the time with both little ones. I know the stay at home thing is temporary, especially since I just started a business, and I know I will miss it when I look back. Stroller walks in the middle of the day still make me feel like I am on vacation even after two years. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>I give the underpaid props to the little appreciated garbage man. Crappy job that no one would want to live without.<br><br><br><br><br>James - 57" isn't much to brag about. Lets talk about getting you up to the 90"+ range for less than you paid for your legacy non 1080p TV.

Re: Underpaid professions    By James on 4/14/2008 7:41 AM
"...your legacy non 1080p TV" - KB, that one hurt. Ouch. Dammit, now I have to upgrade. Stupid 1080i 3-year-old TV. :)

Re: Underpaid professions    By Muuurph on 4/14/2008 10:23 AM
Whenver this topic comes up I have to mention K-8 teachers, or my wife would kill me. I don't quite understand why HS teachers make so much more than elementary. Let's face it, usually by th time a kid hits high school, it's pretty much determined what track they're heading onto in life. Where the elementary teachers can actually affect the way a little one vies academics and helps them learn basic skills, like tying shoes, being polite how to learn etc... Sure the summers off and pensions are pretty nice, but I still don't think they make up for the low pay combined with how much we spend out of our pocket to make her classroom a better place for the kids ................................................................................................................................................................................................<br><br>I'm already regretting my decision to just go with a 40" flat screen. It does look great above the fireplace and really gives us more space in that room. But I probably could have fit a 50" up there. That's OK though, just more incentive for me to finish the basement so I can create my "Man-pit" complete with the high end projector giving me a 100" picture and surround sound that will blow my ear drums out.

Re: Underpaid professions    By KB's on 4/14/2008 12:12 PM
Muuurph - Home Theater/Home Electronics is my gig. Easy to do on a once a week work schedule. Get my Email from James if you need advice or products. Special discounts to blogmates.

Re: Underpaid professions    By Muuurph on 4/14/2008 3:19 PM
KB: I just might take you up on that. Although the basement finishing is definitely in it's infancy. No walls or anything yet, just big ideas and a few new shelves have been created so far, I'm trying to put the pedal to the metal soon. I've been doing some research (for years actually) and do have a a few questions. James fire his e-mail to me will ya?

Re: Underpaid professions    By Amy on 4/14/2008 5:49 PM
James, all U.S. airlines have the same start-at-the-bottom rule. (AA has its own union, most of the others belong to ALPA. It wouldn't be in an-already-hired and well advanced union member to vote this change in, so guys could be hired above them, but I'm not sure where the rule came from in the first place.) Seniority is only earned within the company. Advancement is strictly as the airline expands and/or guys above you retire. But you can be fired for not passing checkrides, etc every 9 months.) Even guys who come out of the military after a full career and hire on with the airlines start at the bottom, in the "right seat" as copilot/ first officer, not captain (but they have a military pension too). Some foreign carriers hire right to captain and pay for experience, so lots of well-trained US guys have been flying foreign airlines in recent years, as the majors here were going through bankrupcty-- India, Korea, Singapore, Dubai. Most of them are govt supported to some extent, and growing as their home countries economies grow. The very best paid air transport pilots right now are UPS and FEDEX guys (n gals), but they do have to pull a lot of all nighters.

Re: Underpaid professions    By Syl on 4/17/2008 11:27 PM
You can't get a flight out of Louisville after 9PM - that's when UPS takes the place over every night...

Re: Underpaid professions    By Syl on 4/17/2008 11:32 PM
Thank you and please thank your lovely wife too, Muuuurph. Incredibly important job(s) working to make the little ones better.<br><br>Here in CA the idiot Governator is trying for a 10% cut in all expenses across the board. This, in spite of voter's recent protection of schools. His last target was nurses... such an ASS.


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